Part 2 of 2 of a conversation with Greg Bishop and Jeff Ritzmann about the failure of Paranormal groups, and the very aiti-structural nature of the phenomena. Jeff also recounts how delving into this stuff years ago almost ruined his life.
Jeff can be found at https://numinousden.blogspot.com/
Greg can be found at https://radiomisterioso.com/
The outro music is from Psyche Corporation, from Crypts and Codes, "Nightmares"