Part 1 of 2 of a conversation with Greg Bishop and Jeff Ritzmann about how people lose their way studying fringe topics. We also get into Jeff's work on UFO photos, and much more...
Jeff can be found at https://numinousden.blogspot.com/
Greg can be found at https://radiomisterioso.com/
The outro music is from David Wirsig, from his Teachers Choice EP, a song entitled Dave's Ghost.